Published in the Manchester Evening News, Tuesday 4th October 2011
By Deborah Linton
The regions are a regular feature on the table at cabinet, according to Conservative party chair Sayeeda Warsi.
Baroness Warsi insisted that ministers were ‘absolutely’ focused on treating all parts of Britain equally as she took on local critics who claim the coalition has abandoned poorer urban areas like Greater Manchester in favour of wealthier southern shires when dishing out spending cuts.
She told the M.E.N: “I can assure you all of us who sit around that cabinet table are absolutely focused in making sure all parts of this country are treated fairly.”
She said she was adamant the regions did not suffer more but added that there was a responsibility on local council chiefs not to ‘squander money’.
Baroness Warsi also said she believed government was right to engage in ‘tough love’ with people who depend on the state. She said: “This
government’s aim is we should make it harder for people to stay on benefits; we should make it easier for people to get jobs.
“I believe the government is right to engage in tough love saying to people we’re not going to write you off.”
She said the decisions being taken by ministers at the moment were necessary for a more stable future and Britain needed politicians in control of decisions, not ducking them. Responding to pressure on the cabinet to change course on the economy and ease cuts she said: “I don’t think anybody expected us to wave a magic wand and make it all better in a year and a half.”
She continued: “If you speak to families and members of the public who themselves are going through very difficult times and if you ever pose to them the question do you want to have the good times now or a more stable future for your kids and your kids’ kids they will always choose the latter.
Baroness Warsi also admitted she agreed with MPs who have labelled some of the changes included in the Boundary Commission’s constituency shake-up ‘mad and insane’. However, she said she thought the basis for the reform was absolutely correct.
Published in The Evening Standard, Friday 30th September 2011
By Joe Murphy, Political Editor
As the Tories gather in Manchester tomorrow, Sayeeda Warsi will be reading children’s stories.
More specifically, she will be creating audio books for visually impaired children and bullying her Cabinet colleagues, including David Cameron, to do the same.
“It only takes 15 minutes and for some young kids it’s their only access to stories,” she bubbles in her broad Yorkshire accent.
The audiobook idea is the latest in a string of social action projects under her chairmanship. The party has even produced an app so people can record a story themselves and email it over. “It’s a world first and after the conference we are going to donate the app to charity,” she enthuses, talking 19 to the dozen.
“I’ve told the whole Cabinet to read a book. I don’t know what stories we will read yet. I’m obsessed with social action projects. This charity needs more volunteers and we have 11,000 people coming to our conference.”
There is plenty that is new and refreshing about Baroness Warsi, 40, the first Muslim woman to sit in Cabinet. The daughter of an immigrant Dewsbury mill worker who made a fortune by launching a bed making company, she is a Tory moderniser, yet, like many Asian women, also profoundly traditional in her values.
“Somebody asked me, ‘Have you ever taken illegal drugs?’ and I went, ‘I don’t even smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t take drugs. I’m probably the most boring person you can find.’”
From her glass-walled office in Conservative Campaign HQ, where she sips elderflower cordial, she runs an infamous election machine that, as she proudly recalls, won hands down the AV referendum last May. She will do “whatever it takes” to give Boris Johnson a second term as Mayor next year and says the thought of losing to Ken Livingstone in the Olympic and Jubilee year “makes my stomach turn”.
This year’s Tory conference, she reveals, will boast “cutting edge” innovations, like an “app” for downloading speeches and videos; a Dragons’ Den-style business competition; and something called “an interactive wall”.
But there will also be a return to traditional debates. “For the first time in years we are going to have a good old-fashioned open party debate on policy. I want to move away from three people on white bucket chairs.”
The slogan, she revealed, will be Leadership For A Better Future, a theme that acknowledges the tough times but holds out the promise that austerity measures will prove worthwhile.
“My parents said to me the only way to improve yourself and avoid working double shifts like my dad was to work damned hard and pass every exam along the way, not sit in front of the TV.
“My mum used to say, ‘as you sow, so you shall reap’. Actually, she gave us the Asian version, but it’s absolutely true.”
She says her friends are all belt-tightening, buying frozen foods and considering second-hand school uniforms. “These are decisions every family is making. It would be so easy for us to get the [Government’s] chequebook out and not make the tough calls. But ask people if they would prefer to have it easy now or, by taking tough decisions, create a better future for their children, most will instinctively choose to put their children first.”
She accused Ed Miliband of “hypocrisy” for attacking a something-for-nothing society while opposing government reforms like axing legal aid for squatters. “They come in, take something for nothing, abuse fair play, but Labour wants the state to pay them.”
She claimed the Tories are already creating a something-for-something society. “It’s about making sure that it pays you to come off benefits into work, that’s the culture we are creating. Labour are talking this great talk but opposing us.”
Baroness Warsi is kinder to the Lib Dems and predicts that Tories will be focused more on winning the next general election outright than “trashing” their partners in coalition.
She does flatly rule out any form of election pact with Nick Clegg‘s party. “Absolutely. I’m chairman of the Conservative Party and I am doing all I can to make sure we say to the country, ‘give us an outright Conservative majority.’”
Setting a fine example of non-aggression in the meantime, she makes a joke out of Chris Huhne‘s comment which compared her conduct of the AV campaign to that of Nazi propagandist Dr Goebbels.
“When I was young my mum wanted me to be a doctor and I never lived up to her expectations [Warsi became a lawyer]. What I always say is, the Conservatives might have made me a Lady but it took the Liberal Democrats to make me a doctor.”
Published in the FT, Satuday 30th September 2011
Baroness Warsi
A BIGGER SAY ON POLICY FOR CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS
As a Party, we’ve got to keep listening to our volunteers and give them a bigger role in the political process. Thanks to our new, revitalised Conservative Policy Forum, we’ve now given the grassroots a much stronger voice on policy and we’re going to make sure that voice is listened to and really counts. There’s a huge amount of passion, expertise and thinking going on in our grassroots – after all, most people become party members because they want to voice their views. So I want us to harness that thinking as we look ahead to the big policy challenges of 2015 and beyond.
KEEP REACHING OUT TO BME COMMUNITES AND BROADEN OUR APPEAL
Over the last five years we’ve made big progress changing our party to make it better represent our country. So as well as getting the first Muslim in Cabinet, we’ve tripled the number of Conservative women MPs and more than tripled the number of BME Conservative MPs. But the blunt truth is we’ve still got masses more to do.
There are still whole communities and areas where our support isn’t what it should be. Fixing this has to be a top priority. Look at these communities and you see so many people who could be Conservatives. After all, our values have been their values for years: hard work, responsibility, self-discipline, respect for your elders, support for the family. We’ve got to reach out and bring them in to their natural home – our modern, compassionate Conservative Party.
REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENT TO THE NHS
One of the truly great things about our country is that we have a health service that is free at the point of use and available to everyone. It means no matter who you are, where you live, or how much money you have, there will always be help when you most need. It’s says a huge amount about our values as a country – and I want David Cameron to stand by our commitment to protect the NHS. I was proud that he made the NHS such a strong, personal priority five years ago and we’ve got to continue that over the next four years. Crucially, that means doing two key things: keep increasing spending on the NHS and make sure it is protected; put patients at the heart of the NHS, with more choice and better value for money.
BE ON THE SIDE OF HARD-WORKING PEOPLE
By far the biggest challenge we face as a government is to fix the feeling that too often life in Britain isn’t fair – that in this country, you don’t get out what you put in. For years it’s been growing and it’s been driven by different things – the something for nothing culture; seeing some people live off benefits without ever working hard for a living; the ridiculous benefit rules punishing people who want to get back into work or encouraging couples to live separately. This is all wrong and I want the Prime Minister to keep showing courage to fix it. It’s a massive task and it means applying a few simple tests in everything: are we encouraging responsibility? Are people getting what they deserve? And as a government, are we backing people who do the right thing?
STICK TO THE COURSE ON THE ECONOMY
Over the next year there will be plenty of people telling the Prime Minister to change economic course or slow down our deficit reduction plan – not least our opponents in the Labour Party, who have now opposed every single policy we’ve put forward to cut spending. But it is absolutely vital we stick a course which the markets, the rating agencies, the OECD, the IMF and the EU have all said is the right one. This is fundamental to our economic future. While other countries have lacked the political will to take action, the coalition in Britain – despite being two very different political parties – have shown leadership and courage to start the hard work of balancing the books. We still have a deficit bigger than Spain, Italy and Portugal, and if we deviate from our path, we could face the same kind of sovereign debt problems those countries have been facing. We need to stick to our course over the coming year.
The Daily Star Sunday, Sunday 18th September 2011
These strikes are a slap in the face to hard working people in Britain.
At a time when we are working flat out to bring Labour’s reckless spending under control, these walkouts will bring disruption and damage to our economy.
I wonder if these union leaders – with their huge pay packets – have thought about the effect they will have on hard working people in our country?
All across Britain, families are tightening their belts as the world faces some incredibly tough economic times. These are the people who will suffer the consequences of this strike action.
Of course, we massively value the work of our public sector. They teach our children, run our hospitals and deliver our emergency services. They are vital to our country.
That’s why we’re proposing a fair deal on public sector pensions. It’s a good deal for people who work in the public sector and a good deal for taxpayers as well.
The terms proposed are still great pension schemes for the public sector. What the Government is doing is asking people to pay a bit more towards them and work a little longer in order to make them sustainable.
It’s the sheer unfairness of what the Union Barons are proposing that gets me.
For years, Star readers who work in business and private sector companies have seen the gap between them and their public sector colleagues get worse.
In the public sector, pensions were protected while people in the private sector saw their pensions cut and faced tough redundancies.
The point is we need to act in the national interest, not for factional interests, and the Labour Party have to be responsible here.
If they’re serious, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls must stand up to their union paymasters – who give Labour 85 per cent of their cash – and work with us to bring them back to the negotiating table. This is about the national interest – not factional interests.
This Government stands firmly behind hard working people in this country in the public and private sector. These strikes are bad for business, bad for the economy and bad for Britain.
Union bosses must rethink this reckless decision that will damage jobs and achieve nothing.
Published in Total Politics, Thursday 23rd June 2011
by Amber Elliott
Her mother wanted her to dress like Margaret Thatcher when she first entered politics, but Baroness Warsi has never felt the need to imitate anyone. She has her own way of doing things, and they are having some success.
Heavy losses were expected at the local elections in May. Instead, the Conservative Party gained four councils and 85 new councillors.
Sayeeda Warsi, a politician who has never won a seat personally, was partly responsible for the results. She has only been in Parliament for six years, and co-chairman of the party for just one.
So, how does she feel about the local elections – excited, a little bit smug? “I don’t think smug’s the right word,” she says.
Gloating, then?
“No. Gloating isn’t the word.” She dismisses it without a smile.
We settle on “satisfied”.
Apparently, David Cameron has banned enthusiastic post-match hype. There’ll be no clink of champagne glasses. Only cautious, sombre election analysis. In public, at least.
In an interview just three months ago, Baroness Warsi predicted poor returns. “We will do badly in the local elections, and Labour should do very well because of where we are in the electoral cycle,” she said.
She laughs when I quote this back at her. “I wish I had the benefit of hindsight because I wouldn’t have said that,” she says. “I probably look a little bit stupid, having said we’d lose 1,000 seats and then going on to win 80-odd.”
We’re sitting in the Lord Chancellor’s offices in the House of Lords, in a room bedecked with Lord Irvine’s fuzzy Pugin wallpaper that famously cost the taxpayer £59,000.
Warsi looks a little fuzzy herself. She’s recovering from her national tour during the lead-up to the elections. “We literally have travelled the length and breadth of the country,” she says. “The last 30 days was something like 30 seats, 127 council seats, 1,000-odd councillors, 3,500 miles. It was constant. And, to be fair, we’ve been campaigning since about July of last year.”
Her party, she claims, can boast the largest peacetime campaign force ever. “When we restructured, we made sure that we cut our backroom. Frontline campaign services were protected.”
Warsi is a fast talker. She gallops through sentences, pausing only when her BlackBerry buzzes. There are five phones on our table. At one point, both she and her assistant are tapping at them with such concentration that I wonder if the interview has been abruptly terminated and I should leave. “Give me a second,” she says, cutting off a question to read something on the small screen.
In an effort to keep their attention, I canter through questions at a Warsi-esque pace. What was it like to follow Eric Pickles as party chairman? “Big shoes to fill,” Warsi chuckles. “Eric was such a larger-than-life figure – not just because he was larger-than-life, but because it’s a huge job to fit into.”
Warsi’s climb to the top of Mount Tory has been impressively swift. She was plucked from delegate obscurity by Oliver Letwin at the 2003 Conservative Party conference, and encouraged to stand at the 2005 general election as the Conservative candidate in Dewsbury. She was defeated, defying the national Conservative swing. That might have been the end of her political career had it not been for Michael Howard, who she credits as her “political mentor”.
“There’s no doubt that Oliver may have discovered me, but I would probably have just fought 2005 and then gone back to doing whatever I did. Michael Howard made it very clear that he wanted me to remain and get involved.”
Despite the poor and somewhat controversial result in Dewsbury, she was chosen as vice-chairman of the party later that year. Her appointment to the House of Lords in 2007 made her the upper chamber’s youngest member. She also became shadow minister for community cohesion at the same time.
Upon entering government in 2010, Warsi was selected as co-chairman of the Conservative Party (alongside Andrew Feldman) and minister without portfolio in the Cabinet Office, making her the first Muslim woman ever to serve as a minister.
“They keep coming up with these firsts, don’t they?” she says, rolling her eyes as though it’s dreadful.
Now as co-chairman of a party in government, she wants to “steer a steady ship”. “First of all, we have absolutely embedded this principle of ‘keeping the family together’,” she says. “It’s something Andrew and I came up with 12 months ago. It sounds twee, but it means that [with] the different strands of the Conservative Party – the professional party, the voluntary party and the parliamentary party – we set a vision that brings all those different strands together.”
Feldman is the ‘money man’. One person who worked closely with both chairmen says that Feldman deals with the donors because he’s closer to David Cameron, and they feel he has the inside track. Those inside the party claim that internal financing has been a top priority in this first year.
Warsi agrees that the party now “lives within its means”. “We are not spending anything that we’re not raising. We’re not taking out further loans. The party is in a good, stable, financial position.”
She has her own take on her relationship with Feldman: “When I first started this job, I said to Andrew, ‘Just imagine you’re at home.’ This is a complete joke, actually – his wife is an extremely successful woman – but I said, ‘You bring in the money and I spend it. And I think it will work really well.’”
Previously Feldman was chief executive of the party. “The role that he adopts now is built upon that. It’s more the organisation of the party, making sure the party’s well financed, making sure its structures are laid out right,” Warsi says. “I’m the political face of the party. So, more campaigning out in the regions, the media, the political message.” Insiders say that local associations like Warsi because she “talks pure Tory”. “Even crusty, old associations that were sceptical about her appointment are won over by her in person,” one says.
Feldman and Warsi have created new events called ‘Meet the Chairman’. “The initiative is a take on what David [Cameron] does now with PM Direct,” she explains. “It was important for the party to have access to us in an open way – to be able to walk in and ask us a question on anything. It’s a completely closed meeting. Twelve months on, having done dozens of these, it has never been leaked. I do most of them, but we do lots together; it’s a joint act.
“You have to try and balance the different aspects of your personality to fit the job,” she continues. “Instinctively I’m a campaigner, so I’d feel more at home with the fight in the run-up to the election. That’s probably why I was so involved and excited by the AV referendum and the local elections; they were an opportunity to get out there to campaign and fight.”
One colleague describes this style of politics as “attack dog”. “She’ll snarl and growl at the opposition to defend her home. But ultimately, she isn’t the master.” Some recent press releases put out in her name include: “Even Mandelson doesn’t know what Ed Miliband stands for”, “Stella Creasy’s comments are a cheap and irresponsible way to smear the big society” and “Labour created the jilted generation”. There is nothing subtle about them.
The AV referendum was a good example of Warsi’s tendency to jump into the political debate and sharpen her teeth on the bones of those who disagree with her. In a speech on the dangers of extremism, Warsi said: “[Yes to AV] may be sincere, and they may oppose extremism, but by backing AV, they’re backing a system that rewards extremism and gives oxygen to extremist groups… It means that bigots will be given more power in our politics.”
The speech was originally going to be delivered by Warsi on Cable Street alongside Labour’s Keith Vaz. One Labour ‘No to AV’ camp member says the idea of talking about the BNP in an area with such a history was “madness”. “We wouldn’t send one of our lot [Labour] out there to talk about extremism on Cable Street.” In the end, Warsi delivered the speech at Toynbee Hall under the guise of ‘Conservative No to AV’, rather than the separate ‘No to AV’ campaign, and without Keith Vaz.
The speech had a backlash. Chris Huhne accused Warsi of “gutter politics”, and went so far as to compare her to Goebbels.
She dismisses the name-calling as “a side show”. “For a politician called an ‘attack dog’, I didn’t feel the need to attack,” she shrugs. “I didn’t need to respond to it. To this day, I haven’t responded to it.”
But, surely, there were disagreements with the Lib Dems as a result of AV? “Nobody would have assumed that we’d have gone into this – even when the referendum was agreed as part of the coalition agreement – nobody would have said that this was going to create no disagreement or tension.” A double-negative (and a long-winded way of saying ‘yes’).
What of the speculation that David Cameron became involved in the ‘No to AV’ campaign only after George Osborne and others convinced him he must mount a strong opposition? “There was no question whatsoever that David wouldn’t get involved,” she replies. A second double-negative.
And what about the agreement that the PM would stand on the sidelines to give the Lib Dems a fighting chance at voting reform? “I don’t know, and I’d never comment on a discussion between David and Nick Clegg. Certainly, I was never present at one. But from a chairman’s perspective there was never any doubt in my mind that David wouldn’t play a part.”
Now that she’s finished her election-period tour, she is turning attention to internal party reforms. The party is driving hard on membership. “We’ve set an interesting target – five per cent of the Conservative vote on Conservative-held seats, and three per cent in Conservative non-held seats should be the level of membership. It’s quite ambitious, but we should be ambitious.” She later mentions that some associations are already above these five and three per cent targets. “A lot of them in Scotland are above the three per cent target. I think eight per cent of them are in Scotland.”
“The other thing I’m thinking about setting up is looking at the very serious concern of electoral fraud,” she says. “It’s something MPs and councillors have raised with me. I’ve had members of the Lib Dems raise it with me as well. MPs who fought their seats related to me real concerns about the level of electoral fraud that may have happened in their constituencies. In the end, around 80-82 official police complaints were made, and various investigations were done.”
She made similar accusations in the New Statesman in 2010, suggesting that the Conservatives were robbed of an overall majority by electoral fraud, but refused to be drawn at the time on the specific allegations.
Now, she wants to see if there’s anything the party can do, ‘campaign-wise’, to challenge electoral fraud. “It’s not something we should take lightly, or brush under the carpet. It should concern all of us, and we should work together in trying to counter it.”
Finally, Warsi wants to dedicate some time the party’s ‘look’ in 10 years’ time. “How will fundraising be done? What will be the priority of associations on the ground? How do we become an even slicker campaigning organisation?” she asks. “There are lots of great examples, countrywide, of where charities or mass memberships have reconfigured themselves. Without any preconceived thoughts, one of the things I’m wanting to commission in the next six months is a long look at where we want to be in a decade’s time, and what steps we need to take to go down that route.” I push for more detail on the future of the party, but am met with a closed door.
Many female politicians do not enjoy being judged on their appearance. Whether it’s Theresa May’s red shoes or Caroline Flint’s ‘window-dressing’, most female MPs are reluctant to be framed by their looks. Not so with Warsi. In fact, she enjoys it.
“I can claim, among many accolades, to be the sexiest member of the House of Lords,” she trills. Perhaps realising that this might be perceived badly, she adds: “My husband always says, ‘If you could see a school photo, you’d never have won.’”
She claims that she was “quite nerdy” at school. When asked what she would tell her sixteen-year-old self, she replies: “Get your eyebrows done.”
“My kids recently got hold of a school photo. They ordered one of those Moonpig cards, and they stuck it on the front. It’s on the mantelpiece – it’s really bad.”
Warsi seems unfazed about discussing her family. She’s hinted before that they have urged her to step away from the limelight, fearing that it makes her a high profile target. She admits: “My mum worries. She worries about how some of the things I say put me in harm’s way. She questions whether this is the job I should be doing. What she thinks is, ‘You get a lot of grief, you don’t see your family, you work long hours and you put yourself in danger. There must be a better thing to do out there than that’.”
What would she change about her political career so far if she could? There’s a long pause. “I wouldn’t change things, actually. Of course, there might be little things you’d do differently – ‘Oh, I really shouldn’t have said that, or actually, I don’t even believe in that any more’ – but that’s what makes you the person you are now. If I hadn’t done the good and the bad things before, I wouldn’t be where I am, doing what I am.” Her answer avoids admitting to a mistake.
And there have been mistakes. In her only attempt to be elected in 2005, she was accused of distributing homophobic literature. Later, she was quoted as saying that the British National Party had “some very legitimate views” on immigration. She has also had taken some difficult blows. A group of Muslims chucked eggs at her on a walk-about in Luton. And extremist Islamic preacher Anjem Choudary warned that she “does not represent Islam or anyone in this country who is a Muslim”.
It’s funny though – for a woman so willing to give her opinion on almost every subject – she is elusive when it comes to her own place in government. One journalist wrote: “It’s hard to escape the impression of Warsi wanting to have her cake and eat it. If she’s happy for her party to present her as the poster girl for the newly inclusive Conservatives, it seems a bit rich to object when anyone else talks about her in such terms.”
I ask about that specific interview. “I don’t think I was upset about what was said. I was just bored. I’ve been in politics now for a fair while, and the kind of interview questions about, you know, where you come from, what you do, how many times a day you pray, what you think of the face veil, of arranged marriages… It’s just boring. It’s been talked about so often. This is the point when my kids would turn around and say, ‘Yeah, whatever’.”
We talk about Muslim men and women who could be seen as role models. “They don’t have to be Muslim men and women. You meet lots of leaders, of all sorts, who you are inspired by. You meet ordinary people you’re inspired by, too.” Warsi is on the defensive.
I suggest that some of her reluctance to be drawn on ‘boring topics’ is linked to her being put on a pedestal when she arrived in Parliament. “And then knocked right back down again,” she says mirthfully. “That’s politics. I don’t think it was a pedestal. It was just intriguing. There are lots of straight-talking people in Yorkshire – maybe the southern commentariat thought that was different.”
Who are her political enemies? “Oh god. You tell me. You usually don’t know who they are, do you? Isn’t that true about politics?”
Warsi is called off to a division in the Lords. She returns 20 minutes later, distracted, tapping on her phone. What was the vote on? “I have no idea,” she shrugs. “I was so late. I was panicking. By the time I got there… I said to my whips, ‘Where should I be?’”
“She’s not well clued up on party history,” says one person who worked closely with the chairman. “Details are not her strong point.”
Warsi is an ‘immediate response’ woman. Her strengths are the fast political retort, the anti-Labour line and the adrenaline of campaigning. Colleagues describe her as “pushy” and “feisty”. But no one doubts her passion.
“This fight will not start with my birth and will not end with my death. I am a simple, black woman warrior, doing my bit, asking you if you’re doing yours.” Warsi recites her favourite quote.
Who wrote it, I ask? “It’s a poem by… somebody… god, I’ve forgotten.” Ah well. Details. The baroness is a bigger picture politician.
Published in The Guardian, Thursday 23rd June 2011
By Nicholas Watt, Chief Political Correspondent
Sayeeda Warsi rolls back in her chair and bursts out laughing. “I don’t read her, actually. I call her Mad Mel,” Lady Warsi says of Daily Mail columnist Melanie Phillips, who has denounced her as “stupid”.
Warsi, a proud Yorkshirewoman, rarely pulls her punches. As the first Muslim to sit as a full member of the British cabinet, she fell foul of Phillips in January after she declared in the Sternberg lecture that Islamophobia had “crossed the threshold of middle-class respectability”.
Phillips’ barbed response was to describe Warsi, the Tory co-chair, on her Spectator blog as “at best a stupid mouthpiece of those who are bamboozling Britain into Islamisation, and at worst a supporter of that process”.
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Warsi had a mini falling-out with Downing Street after No 10 became alarmed that her lecture appeared to place her at odds with David Cameron on the highly sensitive subject of British Muslims and extremism.
A few weeks after Warsi’s speech, Cameron laid the ground for a review of funding for Muslim groups when he asked whether it was right to support groups which “present themselves as a gateway to the Muslim community” while doing little to combat extremism. Cameron’s speech to the Munich security conference in February was interpreted as an endorsement of Michael Gove, the education secretary, who called on the west to wake up to the threat posed by Islamist extremists in his book Celsius 7/7.
Warsi, whose father left Pakistan for Britain in 1960 with £2 in his pocket, is seen to hold a different view, warning of the dangers of distinguishing between moderate and extremist Muslims. In her Sternberg lecture, she said: “We should be careful about language around religious ‘moderates’… When it comes to extremism, we should be absolutely clear. These people are extremists, plain and simple, because their behaviour has detached them from the thought process within their religion.”
Warsi admits there was robust debate within government in the runup to the publication of the review of the government’s Prevent strategy earlier this month. In a break with Labour, the coalition is refusing to fund Muslim groups that promote extremist views even if they eschew violence.
“The Prevent review has taken so long because it’s been thought through, it’s been argued, it’s been debated. There have been people around the table who’ve had views, and I think we’ve come to a comfortable place where we can all now sign up to it.”
Warsi, who next week will be the first British minister to address the Organisation of the Islamic Conference in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, highlights the complexity of addressing extremism. In some areas she is in total agreement with Cameron; in other areas they differ.
Warsi and Cameron agree that extremists are distorting Islam which is, as the prime minister said in February, “observed peacefully and devoutly by over a billion people”. Warsi says: “I don’t think there’s a difference between what myself and the prime minister says. What he says is what I said: if you are an extremist you are by its very nature detaching yourself from the faith. And what he’s saying is that if you are an Islamist extremist you are by its very nature following a distorted, detached version of the faith. You’re not actually of the faith.”
But Warsi does express some unease with the central thrust of the new Prevent strategy: that Islamists can reject violence and still be extremist. The prime minister said in his Munich speech: “Move along the spectrum and you find people who may reject violence but who accept various parts of the extremist worldview, including real hostility towards western democracy and liberal values.”
Is it possible to be an extremist and not believe in violence? She pauses, then says: “You probably could.” Then she adds that non-violent extremists would be shunned and could still fall foul of the law.
“The great thing about our democracy is people believe in all sorts of things, including the fact that there’s a man on the moon and they’d like him to be coming down and governing us. The great thing about democracy is you can engage in a democratic process. We have the Monster Raving Loony Party, don’t we?
“There is a difference between inciting hatred and intolerance towards other people without actually being violent yourself. You can actually say: ‘I don’t believe in going around killing anybody’ but you can incite so much hatred and intolerance that it’s being done. Pastor Jones was a typical example in America.”
Warsi says she feels uncomfortable with the word ‘Islamist’ though she says she understands why the prime minister used it in Munich.
“Islamist is an academic term, which I think is broadly understood in academic circles and people who are deeply interested in this subject. The problem that I have always had with this word is … in ordinary campaigning terms Mrs Smith and Mrs Hussein probably don’t get it. The worry I always had was that Mrs Smith probably thinks you’re talking about Mrs Hussein, and Mrs Hussein probably thinks you’re talking about her without actually understanding the academic background to it. And sometimes we in Westminster, we in politics and we in academia, become so familiar with terms that we do take it for granted that people understand what these terms mean.”
Warsi gained greater prominence after pictures of her wearing a salwar kameez were published, but says she understands the “genuine interest in my background in terms of my race, my origins, my religion. You only have to take a look at the photograph of the cabinet and you can see it looks slightly different.”
Warsi laughs again as she describes the garment’s greatest benefit. “On a very warm day a grey suit is probably not the best thing to be sweating in.”
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