Published in the FT, Satuday 30th September 2011
Baroness Warsi
A BIGGER SAY ON POLICY FOR CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS
As a Party, we’ve got to keep listening to our volunteers and give them a bigger role in the political process. Thanks to our new, revitalised Conservative Policy Forum, we’ve now given the grassroots a much stronger voice on policy and we’re going to make sure that voice is listened to and really counts. There’s a huge amount of passion, expertise and thinking going on in our grassroots – after all, most people become party members because they want to voice their views. So I want us to harness that thinking as we look ahead to the big policy challenges of 2015 and beyond.
KEEP REACHING OUT TO BME COMMUNITES AND BROADEN OUR APPEAL
Over the last five years we’ve made big progress changing our party to make it better represent our country. So as well as getting the first Muslim in Cabinet, we’ve tripled the number of Conservative women MPs and more than tripled the number of BME Conservative MPs. But the blunt truth is we’ve still got masses more to do.
There are still whole communities and areas where our support isn’t what it should be. Fixing this has to be a top priority. Look at these communities and you see so many people who could be Conservatives. After all, our values have been their values for years: hard work, responsibility, self-discipline, respect for your elders, support for the family. We’ve got to reach out and bring them in to their natural home – our modern, compassionate Conservative Party.
REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENT TO THE NHS
One of the truly great things about our country is that we have a health service that is free at the point of use and available to everyone. It means no matter who you are, where you live, or how much money you have, there will always be help when you most need. It’s says a huge amount about our values as a country – and I want David Cameron to stand by our commitment to protect the NHS. I was proud that he made the NHS such a strong, personal priority five years ago and we’ve got to continue that over the next four years. Crucially, that means doing two key things: keep increasing spending on the NHS and make sure it is protected; put patients at the heart of the NHS, with more choice and better value for money.
BE ON THE SIDE OF HARD-WORKING PEOPLE
By far the biggest challenge we face as a government is to fix the feeling that too often life in Britain isn’t fair – that in this country, you don’t get out what you put in. For years it’s been growing and it’s been driven by different things – the something for nothing culture; seeing some people live off benefits without ever working hard for a living; the ridiculous benefit rules punishing people who want to get back into work or encouraging couples to live separately. This is all wrong and I want the Prime Minister to keep showing courage to fix it. It’s a massive task and it means applying a few simple tests in everything: are we encouraging responsibility? Are people getting what they deserve? And as a government, are we backing people who do the right thing?
STICK TO THE COURSE ON THE ECONOMY
Over the next year there will be plenty of people telling the Prime Minister to change economic course or slow down our deficit reduction plan – not least our opponents in the Labour Party, who have now opposed every single policy we’ve put forward to cut spending. But it is absolutely vital we stick a course which the markets, the rating agencies, the OECD, the IMF and the EU have all said is the right one. This is fundamental to our economic future. While other countries have lacked the political will to take action, the coalition in Britain – despite being two very different political parties – have shown leadership and courage to start the hard work of balancing the books. We still have a deficit bigger than Spain, Italy and Portugal, and if we deviate from our path, we could face the same kind of sovereign debt problems those countries have been facing. We need to stick to our course over the coming year.
The Daily Star Sunday, Sunday 18th September 2011
These strikes are a slap in the face to hard working people in Britain.
At a time when we are working flat out to bring Labour’s reckless spending under control, these walkouts will bring disruption and damage to our economy.
I wonder if these union leaders – with their huge pay packets – have thought about the effect they will have on hard working people in our country?
All across Britain, families are tightening their belts as the world faces some incredibly tough economic times. These are the people who will suffer the consequences of this strike action.
Of course, we massively value the work of our public sector. They teach our children, run our hospitals and deliver our emergency services. They are vital to our country.
That’s why we’re proposing a fair deal on public sector pensions. It’s a good deal for people who work in the public sector and a good deal for taxpayers as well.
The terms proposed are still great pension schemes for the public sector. What the Government is doing is asking people to pay a bit more towards them and work a little longer in order to make them sustainable.
It’s the sheer unfairness of what the Union Barons are proposing that gets me.
For years, Star readers who work in business and private sector companies have seen the gap between them and their public sector colleagues get worse.
In the public sector, pensions were protected while people in the private sector saw their pensions cut and faced tough redundancies.
The point is we need to act in the national interest, not for factional interests, and the Labour Party have to be responsible here.
If they’re serious, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls must stand up to their union paymasters – who give Labour 85 per cent of their cash – and work with us to bring them back to the negotiating table. This is about the national interest – not factional interests.
This Government stands firmly behind hard working people in this country in the public and private sector. These strikes are bad for business, bad for the economy and bad for Britain.
Union bosses must rethink this reckless decision that will damage jobs and achieve nothing.
Published in Today’s Zaman, Sunday 21st August 2011
“We must learn the lessons of history.” Defying Conservative Party leadership, Baroness Sayeeda Warsi gave a speech on the extent of Islamophobia in Britain. “You could even say that Islamophobia has now passed the dinner-table test,” she said.
Speaking in an interview with Sunday’s Zaman, Baroness Warsi defended her speech, saying: “I think that Islamophobia is a challenge; a challenge, which I felt, needed to be raised. And I raised it in a fairly wide-ranging speech.”
The daughter of Pakistani immigrants, Baroness Warsi entered the political scene in 2007 with a storm and became the first Muslim woman to serve as a British government cabinet minister. She is also co-chair (Warsi is keen on avoiding use of the term “chairman”) of the Conservative Party.
While it is true that Warsi’s strong conservative views do not strike a cord with everyone, she has broken some of the barriers that face Muslim women entering British politics. “It was a real novelty for a Muslim woman to be in politics,” she said.
Warsi stressed that for British society to progress and mature, a resurgence of faith, inter-faith dialogue and the building of community links are imperative. She believes that David Cameron’s much criticized “Big Society” program is already in action. She stated, “People from my own Conservative headquarters were out yesterday in Clapham helping clean up, so what you saw was a small part of the community causing havoc and a larger part of communities coming together and saying ‘this is unacceptable.’”
Commenting on the recent UK riots, Warsi said those “odd, slightly left voices like Ken Livingstone — who has, let’s not forget, his own political campaign to run for London mayor” do not represent the voice of mainstream politics, which condemned the riots and looting.
Warsi also spoke to Sunday’s Zaman about her own experience of politics.
I asked Baroness Warsi about her life in politics so far.
“I’ve always been involved in politics, right from my college days. I was the vice president of the Students’ Union. And as far as in terms of front-line politics, my career has not been as long. I stood as the candidate in Dewsbury in 2005. But I suppose throughout my life, political issues have always interested me and I spent a lot of my life volunteering. Whilst I was working as a solicitor I spent some time with the local Registration Council and I volunteered at the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust. I spent years mentoring younger people into careers, so politics loosely has always been a part of my life. But in terms of front-line party politics, it’s probably been much more recent.”
What is the importance of being a visible Muslim in the public eye?
“Well, it’s true [about being a visible Muslim] and [is] important for Muslims in all aspects of public life and professional life, whether that’s doctors, lawyers, accountants, and civil servants. The thing in politics is that you become much more visible because of being Muslim. And I think at a time when there is so much derision about faith, and particularly Islam, it is important to have people who are going about their ordinary lives but who happen to be Muslim. I think it takes away the lazy stereotyping, which is used by some communities.”
What about the challenges you face as a Muslim woman in politics?
“The challenges you face for going in to politics as a woman is the same for women from whatever background you come from. Predominantly, I think it is harder for women to go in to politics; women find the culture around politics much more difficult. I think more and more women coming in to politics will change that culture and that ethos. I think the Conservative Party has made true strides from moving from having nineteen female MPs to having 49 today. I think having Muslim women elected to Parliament, as well as appointed to Parliament, in the House of Lords, will help increase [bring] others because women will then look at those women and think, ‘that’s a career that I want’. Whereas in the past, if I look back at maybe six or seven years ago after I stood for election in Dewsbury, it was a real novelty for a Muslim woman to be involved in politics. Now, it’s less of a novelty, and the less of a novelty it becomes the more likely younger women are to take part.”
Recently, Baroness Warsi visited Bosnia on the anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre. “Srebrenica is a name that now resonates around the world as a lesson in the consequences of unchecked evil,” she said in a speech. At the start of this year, she defied the Conservative Party to make a speech about the extent of Islamophobia in Britain. In her speech, she claimed that racism towards Muslims had become “socially acceptable” and had “passed the dinner-table test.”
Commenting on this event, she remarked, “We must learn the lessons of history. I think that Islamophobia is a challenge; a challenge which I felt needed to be raised. I raised it in a fairly wide-ranging speech.”
What do you think about the debate surrounding the burqa, especially regarding its being banned in several European countries?
“You see, I have a very clear view in relation to what women can and cannot wear. Ultimately, I think it is a choice for women. Women can choose to wear what they want. That is the society that we live in, and if that offends — whether they think women don’t wear enough clothes or they think women are far too covered up — then that’s really not a matter for other people to make judgments about. And it’s not for governments to intervene and legislate on. What the most important thing is, are these women making the right choice? I think we can get too hung up about what people choose to wear.”
Baroness Warsi commented on the recent UK riots during the course of our discussion.
Much of what Baroness Warsi does is based on working to build stronger relationships within communities. When we spoke with her she was on her way to Birmingham, where three men had been killed in a hit-and-run incident while trying to protect a gas station from looters. When discussing the rioters, the Tory’s “tough on law and order” line can be seen in her views, but so too can her belief in strong communities and the roles individuals must play in them. Warsi continued:
“If you listen to what many of the council leaders have been saying, many of the people who are engaging in the acts were not connected to youth clubs in the first place. Many of them had criminal records in the past. This is not a protest and at no point have I heard any young people saying, ‘I’m here because my local youth center may or may not be cut because of its funding.’ To look for a justification of this criminality, burglary and looting, I think it is in the interests of the politically opportunistic.
“The leader[s] of the Labour Party and Lib Dems have come out and made it very clear that this is a case of criminality. In terms of mainstream politics and politicians, they’re absolutely united on this. Now you maybe hear the odd slightly left voices like Ken Livingstone who has — let’s not forget — his own political campaign to run for London mayor. But if you listen to Dianne Abbott or David Lammy and people from all sides of the political spectrum, it is very, very clear: this is criminality.”
What is your position on immigration, especially given that your parents are immigrants themselves?
“My position on immigration is that any country at any time needs to divide how many people it needs from outside its own country to resource what our needs are in Britain [its own needs are]. At the time fifty years ago when my father came to the country from Pakistan, the mills in the northern towns needed workers. He came here to fill that need and also to make a better life for himself. But I think that we have to judge carefully. When we have people who are unemployed — and actually what you’ll find is that predominantly those people who find it most difficult to get jobs are actually second and third generation [descendants of] immigrants — you have to make the decision to work for the people in this country [first].
“If there is one job and there is a young British Turkish person and [a] person in Turkey who both want that job, then I’m going to think about the British Turkish person because he is British. Or if there was a British Pakistani and a person in Pakistan going for the same job, then again I’m going to choose the British Pakistani. However, we are always committed to ensuring that we have the best people from around the world whether they’re scientists and pioneers or skilled workers here in Britain to make this country a great place to live in.”
Here is probably the most anticipated question for a Turkey-based newspaper: should Turkey join the EU?
“I would be delighted for Turkey to join the EU. Britain is Turkey’s main supporter for joining the EU and we continue that support for them. We look forward to working with Turkey in the future as an EU member.”
Warsi also expressed wishes to work more closely with the Turkish community in Britain and said she looks forward to establishing these new links.
Baroness Warsi – Srebrenica Speech 11 July 2011
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We are here on this sad occasion to mark the sixteenth anniversary of the worst atrocity in Europe in recent memory.
Today we remember more than eight thousand Bosniak men and boys killed on this soil during the genocide of 1995.
Later today, more than six hundred burials will take place across the street at the Potočari memorial cemetery.
Many of the families burying their loved ones have spent more than a decade seeking the truth about their deaths.
My thoughts, those of my Government and of the whole international community are with these people today.
Those who were killed, those who suffered and all those who lost loved ones.
Srebrenica is a name that now resonates around the world as a lesson in the consequences of unchecked evil.
But we must never lose sight of the fact that the genocide at Srebrenica is about the massacre of individuals…
…each of them mourned by friends, families and loved ones.
The victims must not and will not ever be forgotten. Today is above all about them.
Today is also an occasion to restate our commitment to justice for those responsible for war crimes.
The path to justice can be slow and painful. It requires determination, commitment and perseverance.
And when it is finally achieved, justice can reawaken painful memories.
Sadly it is not an instant cure for grief and mourning. But it is essential if the wounds of the past are to begin to be healed.
With this in mind, the arrest of Ratko Mladic this May was a very important moment.
After more than fifteen years as a fugitive…,
… Mladic is now facing international justice in The Hague, where he stands accused of war crimes…,
… crimes against humanity and genocide.
This process shows clearly that there is no expiry date on the most terrible of crimes.
The UK government and the whole international community will be unflinching in our commitment to bringing to justice those accused of committing such crimes.
Mladic’s arrest serves also as a warning to members of other regimes around the world who may be considering committing atrocities:
… they will not be able to hide from justice.
The UK has long been a strong supporter of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and of the Prosecutor’s work.
We commend the Court on its work to date and give it our full support in current and forthcoming trials.
It is important to remember that this process is not yet complete.
One fugitive, Goran Hadzic, is still at large and must be found.
We urge all countries of this region to co-operate fully with the Tribunal…
…and fulfil their obligations under international law to bring Hadzic too, to justice.
We also call on all countries of the former Yugoslavia to work to ensure that others responsible for war crimes are brought to justice through domestic legal processes.
As well as memory and justice, today is also about the future.
While the judicial process cannot and will not ever compensate the bereaved for the losses they have sustained…,
… we hope that the capture of Ratko Mladic will allow the families of the victims to find some relief.
We hope it can mark a turning point and the start of a new chapter of co-operation and progress in the Western Balkans.
Some of this has already begun.
My Government welcomed the resolution on Srebrenica passed last March by the Serbian Parliament…
… as a positive first step on the path towards reconciliation…,
… as well as recent high-level contacts between the political leaders of this region.
We hope that these political initiatives will continue and intensify.
The genocide at Srebrenica teaches us an important lesson.
It is a lesson to us about the tragic consequences of a passive response in the face of evil.
We have a duty to learn this lesson and to propagate it.
And that is why I think it is so fitting that this year, as in past years, Srebrenica will host this Summer University…
… bringing together post-graduate students from all around the world to increase understanding about how such a terrible event was allowed to occur.
I strongly support this initiative which I believe honours those who lost their lives here.
And I believe that your studies can help ensure that such terrible events should never be repeated anywhere in the world.
To this year’s students I wish you a productive and insightful period of study here in Srebrenica.
I encourage you to draw on your studies here in your future work wherever and whatever that may be.
For our part, the UK Government’s vision for Bosnia and Herzegovina is of a single, stable, prosperous and reforming country…
… heading towards EU and NATO membership.
We want to see all the citizens of this country sharing in the many benefits that this will bring.
It is right that we look forwards, towards this goal.
But starting a new chapter does not mean forgetting the past.
And here I would like to end where I began.
Our thoughts today are with all those who suffered here and all who lost loved ones sixteen years ago.
They must not and will not ever be forgotten.
NEWS RELEASE
11 July 2011
Baroness Warsi will travel to Bosnia from 10-12 July to commemorate the 16th anniversary of the genocide at Srebrenica, the first such ceremony since the capture of Ratko Mladic.
Her attendance will underline the importance the Government attaches to this anniversary and its commitment to justice and reconciliation in the Balkans.
The British Government has committed considerable programme funding to Srebrenica-related projects since 2000 including to construction of the memorial complex in Srebrenica; contributing to a UNDP regional recovery programme and to public infrastructure renewal; support to the International Commission for Missing Persons in its work to identify the remains of missing persons (which has inter alia generated important evidence for ICTY trials); and legal secondments to the team in the Bosnian State Prosecutor’s Office dealing with Srebrenica-related crimes.
Baroness Warsi is meeting on Sunday evening with the High Representative, Dr Valentin Inzko.
On Monday morning, she will delivering a keynote speaker at the launch of this year’s Srebrenica Summer School, an international programme for graduate research into issues such as transitional justice, genocide and post-conflict studies.
She will then lay a wreath at the commemoration of victims of the Srebrenica massacre.
On Tuesday, she will meet with the presidents of Bosnia to discuss the latest political developments.
Baroness Warsi said; ‘Srebrenica is a name that now resonates around the world as a lesson in the consequences of unchecked evil. But we must never lose sight of the fact that the genocide at Srebrenica is about the massacre of individuals – each of them mourned by friends, families and loved ones. Today is also an occasion to restate our commitment to justice for those responsible for war crimes.’
The Rt Hon Baroness Warsi, Thursday 30th June 2011
Speaking at the OIC Foreign Minister’s Conference as the first British Government Minister
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It is a great honour to be invited to speak at the OIC Foreign Minister’s Conference – the first time that a British Government Minister has ever had this privilege.
I am equally delighted to be here in Kazakhstan for the first time…
…a country as Chairman you told me when we met on Monday is home to the Samosa and Pilau Rice.
A fortnight ago I had the privilege to host His Excellency, Secretary-General Ihsanoglu, and his team, on their first official visit to the UK.
We held a number of meetings which included the Prime Minister David Cameron, the Foreign Secretary William Hague…
…and the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, amongst others in a wide ranging programme.
We in Britain recognise the importance of building on our relationships with the Muslim world.
And that is why we have appointed a new Special Representative to the OIC to be based in Jeddah.
Our participation at this conference demonstrates that commitment. So thank you once again for giving us this opportunity.
CHALLENGES
Today we share many global challenges: economic uncertainty; global security; climate change and the continuing need to help the poorest in the world.
In today’s ever changing world, we can either face these challenges together,
..work together in unity with greater effectiveness, or as people we will grow apart.
And sadly there are extremists who would prefer just that.
There are those that claim that the West is at war with Islam.
Or that Islam has no place in the West. They claim Islam and Democracy do not mix, and will never mix.
As a British Cabinet Minister, as a British Muslim…
…as the daughter of immigrant, whose father came to the UK from Pakistan, who taught his children the value of education, who built a successful businesss…
…as someone who crosses those so-called insurmountable divides…
I am proud to say that nothing could be further from the truth.
And when we look at our actions overseas…
It is the largely Muslim civilians in Benghazi…
…who are demonstrating such a strong desire to live free of oppression and brutality…
…that spurred the international community into acting in their support and defence.
It is the largely Muslim people of Kabul and Helmand…
…who have suffered generations of war and destruction, who aspire simply for a better future, rather than conflict and bloodshed…
…that drives the international community’s commitment for a stable Afghanistan.
And it is the young Muslim women in the Punjab, and their dreams for an opportunity to learn…
…which drives the international communities investment in the Pakistani education system.
Your excellencies my story, the story of my country, the story of our actions overseas…
… categorically sends a resounding “no” to those who talk about a “clash of civilisations”
We face global challenges which we can be meet…
… if we work together in partnership.
A partnership based on trust, mutual respect and honesty.
ARAB SPRING
This year, will be remembered for the start of the Arab Spring.
For an awakening across the region.
For an answer to those who say the Middle East has no appetite for reform.
The seeds of democracy have been sown…
… and I recognise that of course it will take time before they flower.
Change is never easy. And real change will take time.
But one thing is certain. The type of change will differ in each country.
In each country it will take its own route;
it will find its own way; and it will be driven by the people in those countries.
No two democracies look the same.
In these uncertain times, the UK Government and the international community stands ready to work with the countries of the Middle East and North Africa in partnership…
…to build a more stable and prosperous future for the region.
Through our Arab Partnership, we will provide £110m to support political and economic reforms across the region.
Afghanistan
Your excellencies, the security challenge we face in Afghanistan will require a long-term enduring Partnership.
This partnership will require the contribution of ordinary Afghans, the contribution of regional allies, and the contribution of the international community.
My guarantee to you is this. We will stay the course in Afghanistan.
And although by 2015 UK forces will no longer be in a combat role or in the numbers they are now in Afghanistan…
…but the UK remains committed to a strong, long term partnership with Afghanistan based on diplomacy, trade and development.
We will continue to stand by the Afghan people in their difficult journey to reconciliation.
Most importantly we must recognize this is a long-term commitment.
There are no short term fixes.
We, alongside our allies, will build a Long Term Partnership with Afghanistan, giving our lasting support long after 2015.
PAKISTAN
This brings me to a country I know well.
A country I’ve visited 4 times in the last 12 months – most recently with the UK Prime Minister David Cameron in April.
Pakistan which is an important ally in the uk.
I recognise ordinary Pakistanis simply want an education, jobs and security.
They want to live their free from terror and bloodshed.
The UK’s unbreakable bond with Pakistan means we will stand with the nation during its difficult times.
That is why we have upgraded our relationship to an “enhanced partnership”.
That is why we have made Pakistan our Largest development partner. That is why we pledge to increase bilateral trade to 2.5bn per year.
That is why we have such strong co-operation against terrorism.
SPECIAL TIME IN HISTORY
Your Excellencies, this is a special time in history.
In the past we have been accused of only pursuing “transactional relationships”. But, today let recognise we believe in “lasting friendships”.
Let’s become strategic partners. Partners in trade. Partners in development. Partners in global security.
Let’s affirm our commitment to one another.
Your excellencies our destinies are intertwined. Our futures interlinked.
Travel, trade and new media have brought us closer together.
And I know when we work together, act together, we are on course to help solve some of the greatest challenges we face.
Let’s build a future for today and tomorrow. And build a world, better than the one we found.
So if there is a message I’d like you to take away today it is simply this.
In 2011, the UK didn’t come to this conference and simply say Assalamualaikum, she also said Nureedo An Matha aa Wana Ma aan.
Published in The Guardian, Thursday 23rd June 2011
By Nicholas Watt, Chief Political Correspondent
Sayeeda Warsi rolls back in her chair and bursts out laughing. “I don’t read her, actually. I call her Mad Mel,” Lady Warsi says of Daily Mail columnist Melanie Phillips, who has denounced her as “stupid”.
Warsi, a proud Yorkshirewoman, rarely pulls her punches. As the first Muslim to sit as a full member of the British cabinet, she fell foul of Phillips in January after she declared in the Sternberg lecture that Islamophobia had “crossed the threshold of middle-class respectability”.
Phillips’ barbed response was to describe Warsi, the Tory co-chair, on her Spectator blog as “at best a stupid mouthpiece of those who are bamboozling Britain into Islamisation, and at worst a supporter of that process”.
Sayeeda-Warsi
Warsi had a mini falling-out with Downing Street after No 10 became alarmed that her lecture appeared to place her at odds with David Cameron on the highly sensitive subject of British Muslims and extremism.
A few weeks after Warsi’s speech, Cameron laid the ground for a review of funding for Muslim groups when he asked whether it was right to support groups which “present themselves as a gateway to the Muslim community” while doing little to combat extremism. Cameron’s speech to the Munich security conference in February was interpreted as an endorsement of Michael Gove, the education secretary, who called on the west to wake up to the threat posed by Islamist extremists in his book Celsius 7/7.
Warsi, whose father left Pakistan for Britain in 1960 with £2 in his pocket, is seen to hold a different view, warning of the dangers of distinguishing between moderate and extremist Muslims. In her Sternberg lecture, she said: “We should be careful about language around religious ‘moderates’… When it comes to extremism, we should be absolutely clear. These people are extremists, plain and simple, because their behaviour has detached them from the thought process within their religion.”
Warsi admits there was robust debate within government in the runup to the publication of the review of the government’s Prevent strategy earlier this month. In a break with Labour, the coalition is refusing to fund Muslim groups that promote extremist views even if they eschew violence.
“The Prevent review has taken so long because it’s been thought through, it’s been argued, it’s been debated. There have been people around the table who’ve had views, and I think we’ve come to a comfortable place where we can all now sign up to it.”
Warsi, who next week will be the first British minister to address the Organisation of the Islamic Conference in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, highlights the complexity of addressing extremism. In some areas she is in total agreement with Cameron; in other areas they differ.
Warsi and Cameron agree that extremists are distorting Islam which is, as the prime minister said in February, “observed peacefully and devoutly by over a billion people”. Warsi says: “I don’t think there’s a difference between what myself and the prime minister says. What he says is what I said: if you are an extremist you are by its very nature detaching yourself from the faith. And what he’s saying is that if you are an Islamist extremist you are by its very nature following a distorted, detached version of the faith. You’re not actually of the faith.”
But Warsi does express some unease with the central thrust of the new Prevent strategy: that Islamists can reject violence and still be extremist. The prime minister said in his Munich speech: “Move along the spectrum and you find people who may reject violence but who accept various parts of the extremist worldview, including real hostility towards western democracy and liberal values.”
Is it possible to be an extremist and not believe in violence? She pauses, then says: “You probably could.” Then she adds that non-violent extremists would be shunned and could still fall foul of the law.
“The great thing about our democracy is people believe in all sorts of things, including the fact that there’s a man on the moon and they’d like him to be coming down and governing us. The great thing about democracy is you can engage in a democratic process. We have the Monster Raving Loony Party, don’t we?
“There is a difference between inciting hatred and intolerance towards other people without actually being violent yourself. You can actually say: ‘I don’t believe in going around killing anybody’ but you can incite so much hatred and intolerance that it’s being done. Pastor Jones was a typical example in America.”
Warsi says she feels uncomfortable with the word ‘Islamist’ though she says she understands why the prime minister used it in Munich.
“Islamist is an academic term, which I think is broadly understood in academic circles and people who are deeply interested in this subject. The problem that I have always had with this word is … in ordinary campaigning terms Mrs Smith and Mrs Hussein probably don’t get it. The worry I always had was that Mrs Smith probably thinks you’re talking about Mrs Hussein, and Mrs Hussein probably thinks you’re talking about her without actually understanding the academic background to it. And sometimes we in Westminster, we in politics and we in academia, become so familiar with terms that we do take it for granted that people understand what these terms mean.”
Warsi gained greater prominence after pictures of her wearing a salwar kameez were published, but says she understands the “genuine interest in my background in terms of my race, my origins, my religion. You only have to take a look at the photograph of the cabinet and you can see it looks slightly different.”
Warsi laughs again as she describes the garment’s greatest benefit. “On a very warm day a grey suit is probably not the best thing to be sweating in.”
Published in Total Politics, Thursday 23rd June 2011
by Amber Elliott
Her mother wanted her to dress like Margaret Thatcher when she first entered politics, but Baroness Warsi has never felt the need to imitate anyone. She has her own way of doing things, and they are having some success.
Heavy losses were expected at the local elections in May. Instead, the Conservative Party gained four councils and 85 new councillors.
Sayeeda Warsi, a politician who has never won a seat personally, was partly responsible for the results. She has only been in Parliament for six years, and co-chairman of the party for just one.
So, how does she feel about the local elections – excited, a little bit smug? “I don’t think smug’s the right word,” she says.
Gloating, then?
“No. Gloating isn’t the word.” She dismisses it without a smile.
We settle on “satisfied”.
Apparently, David Cameron has banned enthusiastic post-match hype. There’ll be no clink of champagne glasses. Only cautious, sombre election analysis. In public, at least.
In an interview just three months ago, Baroness Warsi predicted poor returns. “We will do badly in the local elections, and Labour should do very well because of where we are in the electoral cycle,” she said.
She laughs when I quote this back at her. “I wish I had the benefit of hindsight because I wouldn’t have said that,” she says. “I probably look a little bit stupid, having said we’d lose 1,000 seats and then going on to win 80-odd.”
We’re sitting in the Lord Chancellor’s offices in the House of Lords, in a room bedecked with Lord Irvine’s fuzzy Pugin wallpaper that famously cost the taxpayer £59,000.
Warsi looks a little fuzzy herself. She’s recovering from her national tour during the lead-up to the elections. “We literally have travelled the length and breadth of the country,” she says. “The last 30 days was something like 30 seats, 127 council seats, 1,000-odd councillors, 3,500 miles. It was constant. And, to be fair, we’ve been campaigning since about July of last year.”
Her party, she claims, can boast the largest peacetime campaign force ever. “When we restructured, we made sure that we cut our backroom. Frontline campaign services were protected.”
Warsi is a fast talker. She gallops through sentences, pausing only when her BlackBerry buzzes. There are five phones on our table. At one point, both she and her assistant are tapping at them with such concentration that I wonder if the interview has been abruptly terminated and I should leave. “Give me a second,” she says, cutting off a question to read something on the small screen.
In an effort to keep their attention, I canter through questions at a Warsi-esque pace. What was it like to follow Eric Pickles as party chairman? “Big shoes to fill,” Warsi chuckles. “Eric was such a larger-than-life figure – not just because he was larger-than-life, but because it’s a huge job to fit into.”
Warsi’s climb to the top of Mount Tory has been impressively swift. She was plucked from delegate obscurity by Oliver Letwin at the 2003 Conservative Party conference, and encouraged to stand at the 2005 general election as the Conservative candidate in Dewsbury. She was defeated, defying the national Conservative swing. That might have been the end of her political career had it not been for Michael Howard, who she credits as her “political mentor”.
“There’s no doubt that Oliver may have discovered me, but I would probably have just fought 2005 and then gone back to doing whatever I did. Michael Howard made it very clear that he wanted me to remain and get involved.”
Despite the poor and somewhat controversial result in Dewsbury, she was chosen as vice-chairman of the party later that year. Her appointment to the House of Lords in 2007 made her the upper chamber’s youngest member. She also became shadow minister for community cohesion at the same time.
Upon entering government in 2010, Warsi was selected as co-chairman of the Conservative Party (alongside Andrew Feldman) and minister without portfolio in the Cabinet Office, making her the first Muslim woman ever to serve as a minister.
“They keep coming up with these firsts, don’t they?” she says, rolling her eyes as though it’s dreadful.
Now as co-chairman of a party in government, she wants to “steer a steady ship”. “First of all, we have absolutely embedded this principle of ‘keeping the family together’,” she says. “It’s something Andrew and I came up with 12 months ago. It sounds twee, but it means that [with] the different strands of the Conservative Party – the professional party, the voluntary party and the parliamentary party – we set a vision that brings all those different strands together.”
Feldman is the ‘money man’. One person who worked closely with both chairmen says that Feldman deals with the donors because he’s closer to David Cameron, and they feel he has the inside track. Those inside the party claim that internal financing has been a top priority in this first year.
Warsi agrees that the party now “lives within its means”. “We are not spending anything that we’re not raising. We’re not taking out further loans. The party is in a good, stable, financial position.”
She has her own take on her relationship with Feldman: “When I first started this job, I said to Andrew, ‘Just imagine you’re at home.’ This is a complete joke, actually – his wife is an extremely successful woman – but I said, ‘You bring in the money and I spend it. And I think it will work really well.’”
Previously Feldman was chief executive of the party. “The role that he adopts now is built upon that. It’s more the organisation of the party, making sure the party’s well financed, making sure its structures are laid out right,” Warsi says. “I’m the political face of the party. So, more campaigning out in the regions, the media, the political message.” Insiders say that local associations like Warsi because she “talks pure Tory”. “Even crusty, old associations that were sceptical about her appointment are won over by her in person,” one says.
Feldman and Warsi have created new events called ‘Meet the Chairman’. “The initiative is a take on what David [Cameron] does now with PM Direct,” she explains. “It was important for the party to have access to us in an open way – to be able to walk in and ask us a question on anything. It’s a completely closed meeting. Twelve months on, having done dozens of these, it has never been leaked. I do most of them, but we do lots together; it’s a joint act.
“You have to try and balance the different aspects of your personality to fit the job,” she continues. “Instinctively I’m a campaigner, so I’d feel more at home with the fight in the run-up to the election. That’s probably why I was so involved and excited by the AV referendum and the local elections; they were an opportunity to get out there to campaign and fight.”
One colleague describes this style of politics as “attack dog”. “She’ll snarl and growl at the opposition to defend her home. But ultimately, she isn’t the master.” Some recent press releases put out in her name include: “Even Mandelson doesn’t know what Ed Miliband stands for”, “Stella Creasy’s comments are a cheap and irresponsible way to smear the big society” and “Labour created the jilted generation”. There is nothing subtle about them.
The AV referendum was a good example of Warsi’s tendency to jump into the political debate and sharpen her teeth on the bones of those who disagree with her. In a speech on the dangers of extremism, Warsi said: “[Yes to AV] may be sincere, and they may oppose extremism, but by backing AV, they’re backing a system that rewards extremism and gives oxygen to extremist groups… It means that bigots will be given more power in our politics.”
The speech was originally going to be delivered by Warsi on Cable Street alongside Labour’s Keith Vaz. One Labour ‘No to AV’ camp member says the idea of talking about the BNP in an area with such a history was “madness”. “We wouldn’t send one of our lot [Labour] out there to talk about extremism on Cable Street.” In the end, Warsi delivered the speech at Toynbee Hall under the guise of ‘Conservative No to AV’, rather than the separate ‘No to AV’ campaign, and without Keith Vaz.
The speech had a backlash. Chris Huhne accused Warsi of “gutter politics”, and went so far as to compare her to Goebbels.
She dismisses the name-calling as “a side show”. “For a politician called an ‘attack dog’, I didn’t feel the need to attack,” she shrugs. “I didn’t need to respond to it. To this day, I haven’t responded to it.”
But, surely, there were disagreements with the Lib Dems as a result of AV? “Nobody would have assumed that we’d have gone into this – even when the referendum was agreed as part of the coalition agreement – nobody would have said that this was going to create no disagreement or tension.” A double-negative (and a long-winded way of saying ‘yes’).
What of the speculation that David Cameron became involved in the ‘No to AV’ campaign only after George Osborne and others convinced him he must mount a strong opposition? “There was no question whatsoever that David wouldn’t get involved,” she replies. A second double-negative.
And what about the agreement that the PM would stand on the sidelines to give the Lib Dems a fighting chance at voting reform? “I don’t know, and I’d never comment on a discussion between David and Nick Clegg. Certainly, I was never present at one. But from a chairman’s perspective there was never any doubt in my mind that David wouldn’t play a part.”
Now that she’s finished her election-period tour, she is turning attention to internal party reforms. The party is driving hard on membership. “We’ve set an interesting target – five per cent of the Conservative vote on Conservative-held seats, and three per cent in Conservative non-held seats should be the level of membership. It’s quite ambitious, but we should be ambitious.” She later mentions that some associations are already above these five and three per cent targets. “A lot of them in Scotland are above the three per cent target. I think eight per cent of them are in Scotland.”
“The other thing I’m thinking about setting up is looking at the very serious concern of electoral fraud,” she says. “It’s something MPs and councillors have raised with me. I’ve had members of the Lib Dems raise it with me as well. MPs who fought their seats related to me real concerns about the level of electoral fraud that may have happened in their constituencies. In the end, around 80-82 official police complaints were made, and various investigations were done.”
She made similar accusations in the New Statesman in 2010, suggesting that the Conservatives were robbed of an overall majority by electoral fraud, but refused to be drawn at the time on the specific allegations.
Now, she wants to see if there’s anything the party can do, ‘campaign-wise’, to challenge electoral fraud. “It’s not something we should take lightly, or brush under the carpet. It should concern all of us, and we should work together in trying to counter it.”
Finally, Warsi wants to dedicate some time the party’s ‘look’ in 10 years’ time. “How will fundraising be done? What will be the priority of associations on the ground? How do we become an even slicker campaigning organisation?” she asks. “There are lots of great examples, countrywide, of where charities or mass memberships have reconfigured themselves. Without any preconceived thoughts, one of the things I’m wanting to commission in the next six months is a long look at where we want to be in a decade’s time, and what steps we need to take to go down that route.” I push for more detail on the future of the party, but am met with a closed door.
Many female politicians do not enjoy being judged on their appearance. Whether it’s Theresa May’s red shoes or Caroline Flint’s ‘window-dressing’, most female MPs are reluctant to be framed by their looks. Not so with Warsi. In fact, she enjoys it.
“I can claim, among many accolades, to be the sexiest member of the House of Lords,” she trills. Perhaps realising that this might be perceived badly, she adds: “My husband always says, ‘If you could see a school photo, you’d never have won.’”
She claims that she was “quite nerdy” at school. When asked what she would tell her sixteen-year-old self, she replies: “Get your eyebrows done.”
“My kids recently got hold of a school photo. They ordered one of those Moonpig cards, and they stuck it on the front. It’s on the mantelpiece – it’s really bad.”
Warsi seems unfazed about discussing her family. She’s hinted before that they have urged her to step away from the limelight, fearing that it makes her a high profile target. She admits: “My mum worries. She worries about how some of the things I say put me in harm’s way. She questions whether this is the job I should be doing. What she thinks is, ‘You get a lot of grief, you don’t see your family, you work long hours and you put yourself in danger. There must be a better thing to do out there than that’.”
What would she change about her political career so far if she could? There’s a long pause. “I wouldn’t change things, actually. Of course, there might be little things you’d do differently – ‘Oh, I really shouldn’t have said that, or actually, I don’t even believe in that any more’ – but that’s what makes you the person you are now. If I hadn’t done the good and the bad things before, I wouldn’t be where I am, doing what I am.” Her answer avoids admitting to a mistake.
And there have been mistakes. In her only attempt to be elected in 2005, she was accused of distributing homophobic literature. Later, she was quoted as saying that the British National Party had “some very legitimate views” on immigration. She has also had taken some difficult blows. A group of Muslims chucked eggs at her on a walk-about in Luton. And extremist Islamic preacher Anjem Choudary warned that she “does not represent Islam or anyone in this country who is a Muslim”.
It’s funny though – for a woman so willing to give her opinion on almost every subject – she is elusive when it comes to her own place in government. One journalist wrote: “It’s hard to escape the impression of Warsi wanting to have her cake and eat it. If she’s happy for her party to present her as the poster girl for the newly inclusive Conservatives, it seems a bit rich to object when anyone else talks about her in such terms.”
I ask about that specific interview. “I don’t think I was upset about what was said. I was just bored. I’ve been in politics now for a fair while, and the kind of interview questions about, you know, where you come from, what you do, how many times a day you pray, what you think of the face veil, of arranged marriages… It’s just boring. It’s been talked about so often. This is the point when my kids would turn around and say, ‘Yeah, whatever’.”
We talk about Muslim men and women who could be seen as role models. “They don’t have to be Muslim men and women. You meet lots of leaders, of all sorts, who you are inspired by. You meet ordinary people you’re inspired by, too.” Warsi is on the defensive.
I suggest that some of her reluctance to be drawn on ‘boring topics’ is linked to her being put on a pedestal when she arrived in Parliament. “And then knocked right back down again,” she says mirthfully. “That’s politics. I don’t think it was a pedestal. It was just intriguing. There are lots of straight-talking people in Yorkshire – maybe the southern commentariat thought that was different.”
Who are her political enemies? “Oh god. You tell me. You usually don’t know who they are, do you? Isn’t that true about politics?”
Warsi is called off to a division in the Lords. She returns 20 minutes later, distracted, tapping on her phone. What was the vote on? “I have no idea,” she shrugs. “I was so late. I was panicking. By the time I got there… I said to my whips, ‘Where should I be?’”
“She’s not well clued up on party history,” says one person who worked closely with the chairman. “Details are not her strong point.”
Warsi is an ‘immediate response’ woman. Her strengths are the fast political retort, the anti-Labour line and the adrenaline of campaigning. Colleagues describe her as “pushy” and “feisty”. But no one doubts her passion.
“This fight will not start with my birth and will not end with my death. I am a simple, black woman warrior, doing my bit, asking you if you’re doing yours.” Warsi recites her favourite quote.
Who wrote it, I ask? “It’s a poem by… somebody… god, I’ve forgotten.” Ah well. Details. The baroness is a bigger picture politician.
Op-ed by Baroness Sayeeda Warsi.
This week, the prime minister and I visited Pakistan to mark a new chapter in the relationship between our governments and our peoples.
As Prime Minister Cameron said, this was a “Naya Aghaz”, forming an unbreakable bond of friendship between our two countries. As David Cameron explained, we want a strong relationship with a secure, prosperous, open and flourishing Pakistan. We want to strengthen that relationship, both now and in the long-term. As a British Cabinet Minister whose parents came from Pakistan, this was a very special moment for me – and something I’ve been waiting to hear for many years.
I believe a strong relationship requires frankness and honesty – not just on the issues affecting Pakistanis but also on issues that people talk about over chai. That starts with Libya. There are a number of myths that have been put out about the situation in Libya. The first is that this is somehow an attack on Islam. Nothing could be further from the truth. “Islam is a religion, observed peacefully and devoutly by over a billion people. So let’s give voice to those followers of Islam in our own countries.” Not my words, not the words of a British Muslim, but the words of the British prime minister earlier this year. The simple fact is that our action in Libya is backed by the United Nations and the Arab League. What’s more, we have taken action to protect people – predominantly Muslim people – from slaughter – just as we did in Kosovo over a decade ago. Nor will there be any foreign invasion. In fact, Arab nations like Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are actively contributing to the No Fly Zone.
The second argument is that the West is acting because of oil. This argument does not stack up. Why? For two reasons. First of all, Libya produces less than 2 per cent of the world’s oil – and much of the output can easily be made up elsewhere. And second, because the surest way of getting oil from Libya would have been cooperation and compromise to do a deal with Colonel Qaddafi.But instead, we took the difficult decision to stop Qaddafi.
The third myth is that Libya is like Iraq. As someone who marched against the Iraq War I can say categorically that this comparison is totally wrong. There are some fundamental differences.
First – the action in Libya is necessary. Colonel Qaddafi said himself that he was planning a violent assault on the rebels in Benghazi. He launched a brutal attack against his own people. He declared he would show ‘no mercy’ on the protestors he called ‘rats’. He threatened to hunt them down ‘door by door’. It could have been a massacre. The evidence emerging from Misurata, where Qaddafi has used tanks and artillery to shell people in their homes, hospitals and mosques, shows only too clearly why we needed to act, and act decisively.
Second – it’s legal. Unlike Iraq, this time we got that second UN resolution for military action. UN Security Council Resolution 1973 authorised ‘all necessary measures’ to protect the Libyan people. The mandate is clear, and it specifically excludes a “foreign occupation force”.
Third – it is the right thing to do. There are millions in the Arab world who want to know that the UN and the UK care about their suffering. The Arab League, with the backing of the African Union, and the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, of which Pakistan is a member, called for international action to protect Libyan civilians. We answered that call. The international community cannot stand aside while a regime murders innocent civilians. We learnt this terrible lesson in Bosnia and Rwanda and we must never let it happen again. There are no double standards here, just the single standard that freedom and democracy aren’t the preserve of the West. That is why we have been clear in our condemnation of violence elsewhere in the region and support the rights of all Arab peoples to choose their own future. This is a position we take across the world, which is why we are working at the UN to end the conflict in Cote d’Ivoire, where the former President is trying to block the will of his people with violence.
Right now, the world is changing. All across the Middle East and in Africa too, people want to choose their own future. For decades, some people assumed that stability in Pakistan or the Middle East required dictatorships. They said that reform and openness would put that stability at risk. But the truth is that was a false choice. As events in the Middle East and North Africa have confirmed, denying people their basic rights does not preserve stability – it undermines it. Freedom, democracy, open societies – these are all things that people in Pakistan have fought for, not just once but over and over again, as civil society has asserted itself against military dictatorships. Pakistan may have a young, fledgling democracy and it faces many challenges, but they know – as people of the Middle East know – that small tentative steps towards democracy are better than the strong and brutal feet of dictatorship. That is why it is right that Britain has stood up for freedom and taken action to allow the people of Libya to choose their own destiny.
Published on the BBC News Website, Monday 11th April 2011
Baroness Warsi says the public faces a “massive choice” on 5 May
A referendum will be held on 5 May on whether to keep the first-past-the-post system for electing MPs or to switch to the alternative vote. The BBC is asking a variety of people to give their personal view.
This referendum is much more than a choice between two counting systems.
This is about a fundamental British principle – the principle of one person, one vote.
Generations of British reformers have been inspired by that principle. They believed that because each person is equal, everyone should have an equal vote. It took many years for that principle to become part of our politics. But today it stands as the cornerstone of our democracy.
Look around the world and we see the legacy: 2.4 billion people use our voting system. It’s the most widely used voting system in the world.
So what on earth will all these people think if they turn to the mother of democracies after 5 May and find we’ve turned our back on all this history and brought in a voting system which no one understands?
My point is that AV could be disastrous for our democracy – for three crucial reasons.
Confusing and perverse
First, AV is unfair. With first-past-the-post, everybody gets one vote. But under AV, supporters of extreme parties like the BNP have more of their votes counted than those who back mainstream parties.
As I argued in a speech in London’s East End recently, this represents a serious danger, as candidates could end up pandering to extremists in order to win seats.
Second, AV is confusing and perverse – because the candidate who comes third can end up coming first.
Just imagine if we applied this rule to the Olympics. The British Coxless Four finishes first in the rowing – but they’re awarded the bronze medal. It’s a crazy idea.
Third, AV is a totally discredited and unpopular system used by only three countries in the world.
Even the “Yes” campaigners don’t actually want AV. Not so long ago, they were saying AV would do nothing to rebuild trust in politics. They called it a “miserable little compromise” and a “politicians’ fix”. They were right.
The simple fact is AV is wrong for our country. It’s wrong that candidates who come third can win elections. It’s wrong that your neighbour’s fifth choice can count as much as your first.
And it’s absolutely wrong that elections can be decided by the eccentrics who vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party or the extremists who vote for the BNP.
That’s why we need to pull together and fight for our democracy – and say no to AV.
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